Carol Summers, 1984


Carol Summers in the video

Wood Block Print Making:
Carol Summers Demonstrates

The transcribed original narrative from a 30-minute videotape demonstration on print making. The technique featured is wood block print making, spotlighting Mr. Carol Summers showing a live audience how he got the special effects for which his art is famous. This is your free transcript on-line. Video Ordering Information.

Introduction

Narrator: Hello. This is Bill Ritchie introducing this selection from "Living Prints" - the series of video tapes about fine art prints. You will be hearing the sound track from "Wood Block Print Making: Carol Summers Demonstrates." Mr. Summers is an internationally-known artist whose specialty is very big wood block prints. They are usually over three feet tall and are brilliantly colored. He was recorded for this video tape in 1984 at the Cornish Institute, an art school in Seattle. Watching him were members of the Northwest Print Council, and their friends, who sponsored the show. Listen, now, as the host for the program introduces this exciting, live event.

Karen Guzak's introduction

My name is Karen Guzak. I'm from the Northwest Print Council. We brought Carol Summers here from California in conjunction with the show that's at the Sam Davidson Gallery. All I can say is that were all anxious to see Carol Summers' demonstration and lets get on with it.

Carol Summers' overview of his printing "secrets"

This is another print of a place that I've never been to. It's called Kialing Kiang (Spelling?) It refers to the mountainous area around the town of Kuei-lin - in China. Kialing Kiang is a river that runs through them. And I've always been fascinated by pictures of the place. I've never visited there. This, by the way, is the print that I brought the blocks for and I'm going to print for my demonstration

The blue of the river is inked with an opaque blue. Very white, an opaque blue. The paper is put then on this block and I roll a transparent blue on the top so the rolling transparent blue on the front of the paper prints the opaque and lighter blue on the back at the same time. So that explains the different character of the river in its brightness. It's printed on both sides, and a transparent color backed up with a light one.

After I put the ink on I spray them with a solvent which dissolves them; it, in essence transforms an ink into a dye. It transforms an ink surface, an ink layer on the surface of the paper into a dyed paper. It dyes the fibers of the paper.

First, I'm going to make a sketch for you. I start out by making sketch on the paper I want to use and the size I want to use. The paper I'm using is a Japanese paper, called Suzuki, comes in 3 by 6 sheets and is white. Japanese paper has a rough side and a smooth side. Either one is all right to use. I like to use the rough side, just because I like the little more tooth. But, sometimes I use the other side, too. Of course, there are, I'm sure, other oriental papers made to use one side and not the other. The ones that I use are un-sized, I can't tell it makes that much difference other than visually.

Question: What brand of inks are you using?

Well . . . I use a variety of brands. I started off using letterpress inks, they work the best for me. As you'll see in my process of working that I need an ink that is relatively soft and that I can dissolve the mineral spirits and I like it to dissolve easily and sink into the paper and run.

Unfortunately, letterpress printing is virtually disappeared from the world and with it letterpress inks and so I've found that there are still some places that I could still get them. But I also use lithographic inks. My inks, I use - I get inks from a place called Louis Roberts a nation wide ink manufacturer. I think their headquarters are in New Jersey.

And I use Daniel Smith Inks. And I use inks from a place in New York called Ink service. I used to use IPI letterpress inks but that's a discontinued line and some of my inks I have IPI make for me. The inks I use all the time. Like blue, I use a medium blue and a reflex blue which I found very satisfactory and they will make them up for me using their own formulas from the letterpress days. And I use enough of them so that every few years I order 25 pounds, they'll make them for me.

Sometimes I find the inks in particularly things like etching inks and litho inks are a little stiff. Even the letterpress inks. So, I cut them down. I usually use a product called Tack-out. I use it - thins the consistency. (Pointing to another product, Miracle Gel Reducer, now called Setswell Compound.) And his is a product from Daniel Smith. He claims is far superior. But essentially it does the same thing. It reduces the tack of the ink.

Question: Why do you need to take the tack out of the ink?

I need to take the tack out of the ink because I roll the ink directly on the paper as well as onto the block some time depending on what I am doing. If there is too much tack in the ink, of course it pulls the paper apart. The paper's soft.

I feel that an image is so much of a result of the way that it is done that the notion of making a sketch and then doing it something else is always disappointing and frustrating. So I try to do it immediately as I want it and if I don't like it and throw it away. Or I learn from it what is it that I don't like and I try to change that. And then I use that finished sketch, so to speak, as my master and I make my blocks from that.

This is going to be the back of the print. I'm putting this color on here because I want it to lighten up the color that is going to be on the front. So I usually put on less ink or, another alternative, would be to back it up with a lighter color, like this, makes it sort of like - oh - under painting. As was so popular in Renaissance painting. To put a dark transparent on top of the light under color.

(He works a long while, concentrating on sketching his design and saying nothing.)

Question: Is those hard rubber rollers you're using?

It's relatively hard it what I call a hard-ish roller. Hard to medium.

Question: Where do you get them?

I don't know. Rollers are hard to find. Good rollers. This roller came from a place called Fine Art Materials in New York. But I know that he doesn't have them anymore. These little rollers - the little wire rollers - are convenient, and they came from Craft Tools.

(To provide the view with an overview of Summers' entire process, the video skips forward to the last part.)

I'm going to spray this with a solvent. Mineral spirits. Probably shorten your life ten or fifteen years. However, I always feel that if Mr. Reagan is elected it won't make any difference. (Laughter, some people applause. Someone asks where his hand atomizer is, he no longer uses it. He sprays a mist of mineral spirits; audience members, sensitive to the hazards of mineral spirit fumes, leave the room.)

Question: Do you smoke?

Occasionally. Now this is a print, but you can't get a very accurate notion of what it looks like while it's wet. It's like pebbles in a stream - they'll be lighter when it dries. Where the light color is behind the green become much clearer when it dries. That would be much lighter with the relationship with the dark when it dries. The blue will be particularly lighter. The red would pretty much the same when it dries as when it's wet. The relationships are unreadable when in a wet state. So I hang it up for about a half an hour so it would dry out sufficiently so the colors will show through.

Question: In making another one for an edition of custom prints is there an outline of the basic form to lay the paper over?

If I were satisfied with that, I would use that very piece of paper and make from that a set of blocks. And I have brought with me a set of blocks from a print that is not terribly dissimilar, technically, from this one which I'll make a print of right now.

These are blocks that are cut from plywood. It's quarter-inch ply and it's pine - an AC pine - and one side's good and one side has holes. I don't mind the holes, usually if I needed to use it I could place the shapes that I wanted to cut out in such a way that they float their way around those.

Question: Do you always use ply wood or do you use other wood?

I have used other wood - planks. But ply wood - you don't have the problem with warpage that you do with solid wood. Of course if you get anything wider than one foot wide you have real problems to find wood. Pine has become an endangered species, unfortunately, and not as available as it used to be. But almost any lumber yard can get it for you.

In this case I would like the ink not to be perfectly even, that's why I need a overloaded roller and try to maintain that texture that comes about thereby. Of course, in the process of printing why the block tends to even itself out.

Since most of the printing I do is visible from the top I don't need a very complicated registry. I usually cut the blocks to be a quarter inch larger than my paper. I put the paper down in the middle. If I - ordinarily, if it's off register I can move the paper. (Audience members giggle at his casual approach to what is usually a critical alignment of colors). Of course in this case since there's going to be a printed area I can't move it the first time, but the second time I could.

Now you can see that some of the hairs of the paper to be pulled off the roller. If that gets to be too bad than I need to take the tack out of the ink a little bit. I prefer as much as possible to use inks right out of the can. I feel any mixing of the ink it tends to dull the colors. Since I like their brilliance, I try not to - I avoid mixing.

I printed on the back at the same time it's printed on the front. Now, in registering for the second block I can just - uh - feel if it fits, see, and if it doesn't than I could move it without . . .. (laughter, as registering is usually more precise) Also the paper vaguely transparent and sometimes, of course, you can see enough through it to sort of see where the shapes are.

Question: How much variation is there in the prints through the edition?

It's pretty controllable. Of course if you go through a stack of prints each one has their own individual difference. My general feeling about that is that a great concern among of print makers for identicalness is a kind of a moral imperative that comes out of the process of printing. You have a method here where your making a multiple print. And to make it then a virtue that each one be identical strikes me as really beside the point. I mean, I'm concerned about making a print that I like; and some of them are darker and some of them are lighter. If I don't like them I throw them away. And so I try to make them the same only because I have in my head a notion of what I want. Which doesn't include all of the variations. But that's my guiding criterion.

For a direct answer to your question I think that variations are less than I might of expect given the problem. I don't see it as - it isn't very large.

Question: Do you have an assistant or do you pull all of your prints?

I have a guy that helps me. He does whatever I would do and he is as capable as I am. It always seems to work out that - almost every print works out that - there are little waiting times it seems to make it work out so that he's doing something while I'm doing something. Its amazing.

Question: Some of your prints, where you've got rainbows, how do you roll those?

Oh, I've printed rainbows in variety of ways. Sometimes they're printed with a block. Particularly if they're small. It's difficult to roll little lines. Rainbows that are this wide usually are - its a block that I jigsaw out and ink it and actually print it. So as you can see the technique doesn't lend itself very well to small details. Of course if shapes are small why I often cut a block for them. Particularly for a rainbow with many colors next to each other would be virtually impossible to do it this way. Often times I make a block that, uh, separately ink each part, put it back together and print it as a unit.

Question: So you don't have that - that's not cut into your plate?

There's no block, there's nothing cut there, I'm just following the edge.

(Mr. Summers proceeds to spray a mist of mineral spirits over the paper and the audience applauds as he hold up the finished proof. The video fades to black. Then, he narrates a slide show of his other works.)

Slide show - first slide

Most of my prints have a story of some kind - to me. This one is called "Little Wolf's Last Camp." Little Wolf was a leader of a band of the Sioux that ended up being interned in the Oklahoma Territory and wanted very much to return to the Yellowstone where they had come from. And since that wasn't convenient for the government they never allowed them to do so. Finally they ran away and went back there anyway. They spent a whole winter at a secluded lake they found I think in the Dakotas or maybe in Wyoming.

Little Wolf was chosen to be the leader of this band, I think there was probably about two-hundred people involved. Just because he was kind of elected as the most capable to lead them. After it was over he returned of being just another person in the group. He had no prestige particularly that devolved on him from this exploit. But that was the subject of the print.

Slide show - second slide

This is called "California." And I did it shortly after moving to California. I lived for twenty years in New York. I got tired after twenty years living in the city and not seeing the stars or trees, having grown up in the country. So I decided I wanted to change my living place and I moved to California. And this is one of those impressions of California that I was enamored of its barren hills and its saturated coloring.

Slide show - third slide

This is an earlier print, actually it's turned out to be one of the, probably the most popular and most reproduced of any of my work. It's called "Dream of Constantine". And it's based on a passage in a fresco by Piero della Francesca in Rezzo(?).

Slide show - fourth slide

This is a print that was printed on some paper that I had made for me in Japan. I met a man, a Japanese, who lives in Tokyo - in Kyoto - who was interested in paper making. He wrote a book on paper making in consequently knew paper making villages in his neighborhood and arranged for me for a man in a tiny village to make some paper for me. And this is the first print that I did on that paper. It's called "Cairo's Flag". Just because it seemed to have a flag-like thing and it had a pyramid in it.

Slide show - fifth slide

This is a print that I made on commission for a gallery in Japan that was set up in partnership with a dealer that I have in San Francisco. And they commissioned me to make two prints - this being one of them. This is called - and I thought appropriately for a Japanese audience - "Kamikaze." It refers original Kamikaze. Kamikaze means divine wind.

It is a story that came about - I think in the middle of the fifteenth century - a powerful Korean government undertook to invade Japan. And did so, actually, but left at the end of the year to get together a bigger army. And so the next year they were really going to do invade Japan and take it over completely. But with a huge army and fleet that they had assembled, a storm came up that blew their boats on to, dispersed them and blew them up onto the shore and really saved Japan from being taken over by this Korean army. And so that storm was considered to be the divine wind that saved Japan.

Slide show - sixth slide

This was the other print that I did for the gallery in Japan. It's called "Starry Night". I remember talking to Gene Baro and he expressed to me that he thought I was incredibly cheap by using the title like "Starry night". (Chuckle) It should be reserved to Vincent [van Gogh] forever.

Slide show - seventh slide

This print is from the mid-seventies. It's called "Rainy Mountain Star Fall." It relates to a legend of the Kiowas. The Kiowas saw themselves as having reached their - the apogee of their power about the early part of the last century. It seems that in 1832 I think it was - it might of been '34 - there was a particularly wonderful display of shooting stars. And the Kiowas saw that - were struck by the grandeur of the display that year - and associated it with the height of their power. It was just at the time when they had amalgamated their empire - it was in Oklahoma - and just before the arrival, of course, of the white man, which of course, destroyed them.

Slide show - eighth slide

This print is called "Basholi." Once again it relates to my interest in Indian painting. Basholi is a little town in what's called the Hill Country. It's the foothills in the Himalayas in Ladakh. Basholi is a town that gave rise to an important school of painting.

One of the things that was notable or distinctive about Basholi painting was the use of real strong colors - particularly the red and the yellow. The yellow, curiously enough, the pigment of the yellow was gotten from water buffalo urine, which they allowed to dry in the sun to evaporate all of the liquid. And then what was left was used as a pigment and mixed again with water. And it's incredibly - a dense kind of chrome-like yellow, but transparent and very permanent.

Slide show - ninth slide

This print's called "Baktapur." Baktapur is a name of a town in the Kathmandu Valley. The Kathmandu Valley is the bed of an ancient lake. There were, in that valley, three different kingdoms. One of them was Baktapur. This town. This relates to the wanderings through that village, which is a really beautiful place.

Closing

(The video returns to the question and answer period after the demonstration).

Are there any secrets that I can share? Often times I combine monotype with the prints.

Question: You mean scratch the color on the wood, is that what you mean?

Yes. If I put the color on the wood, if I put the ink on the wood then it scratch it on the wood that's a monotype of technique and that no ink - there to print. So if I printed this, I'd end up with a blue area with a white line through it.

Question: Do you ever use heavier paper at all?

Very seldom. And for two obvious reasons - one, that I depend on the paper being thin enough to fall off the edge of the block so that when I roll the ink on there is a physical level difference. And the other is thicker papers, having more body, have more ink to absorb so that you need to put more on in order to get the same intensity of color. So thinner papers are easier to fill up the pigment.

Well, thank You, all for coming.

(Loud and long applause from a grateful audience).

Narrator: You've just heard "Wood Block Print Making; Carol Summers Demonstrates." This transcription is copyrighted 1992 by Bill Ritchie, who is a creator and distributor of Living Prints information.


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The Narrator: Bill H. Ritchie, Jr. is an itinerant art professor, author and media arts futurist. Videotape productions about art processes are one of his main interests. He lives in Seattle.

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